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\n\tFrom 2012 through 2018, Kerry Washington played Washington, D.C.\u2014fixer Olivia Pope alongside Tony Goldwyn\u2019s President Fitzgerald Grant on \u201cScandal,\u201d the Shonda Rhimes-created sensation. Olivia and Fitz \u2014 \u201cOlitz\u201d to their superfans \u2014 couldn\u2019t stay away from each other,\u00a0never mind that he was married and the president of the United States and that they met when she was hired to work on his campaign. \u201cScandal\u201d was appointment television, as Olivia and her staff, whom she proudly declared \u201cgladiators in suits,\u201d used every trick available to them to win.<\/p>\n

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\n\tNot only was \u201cScandal\u201d a total blast, but the casting of Washington \u2014\u00a0a Black woman \u2014 as its lead revolutionized representation on television. Rhimes would say, according to Goldwyn, \u201cI just write the world as I see it, and I think it should be,\u201d and Washington finishes his thought: \u201cThe world is constantly catching up to her.\u201d<\/p>\n

\n\tWashington is the star and an executive producer of her most recent project, the Apple TV thriller \u201cImperfect Women.\u201d With it, she sought to build \u201can environment where people feel safe enough to take big risks and big swings,\u201d she tells Goldwyn during their Actors on Actors conversation. On the limited series, based on Araminta Hall\u2019s 2020 novel of the same name, Washington plays Eleanor, a successful CEO whose life is upended when one of her best friends is murdered.<\/p>\n

\n\tGoldwyn is a double threat this television season. On \u201cHacks,\u201d he plays Bob Lipka, the dickhead media overlord holding comedian Deborah Vance (Jean Smart) to the strictest interpretation of her contract\u2019s noncompete, after she quit being a late-night talk show host on his network. And on \u201cLaw & Order,\u201d which Goldwyn joined in March 2024 as Manhattan district attorney Nicholas Baxter, he\u2019s filled the role Sam Waterston played for decades. When the show\u2019s producers approached Goldwyn for the part, he says, \u201cit felt like a privilege.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

\n\tIn the series finale of \u201cScandal,\u201d Olivia walked away from the White House, literally, as a montage showing each character played. Her future is the most mysterious, since the audience is shown that there will be a painting of her in the National Portrait Gallery, an honor usually reserved for presidents. As for Olitz? Fitz\u2019s last moments on-screen with Olivia are them saying \u201cHi\u201d to each other, which was always their way of reconnecting. Do Washington and Goldwyn think their characters ended up making jam in Vermont together? You\u2019ll have to read on to find out.<\/p>\n

\nKerry Washington: <\/strong>Do people constantly ask you to run for president in real life?<\/p>\n

Tony Goldwyn: <\/strong>Yes, generally on a street corner. Don\u2019t you get Olivia Pope\u2019d all the time?<\/p>\n

Washington: <\/strong>Yes, constantly. And that I should run for office, or \u201cOlivia Pope, you have to fix this!\u201d So what do you say to people?<\/p>\n

Goldwyn: <\/strong>Well, I used to say thank you so much, but that\u2019s a really bad idea.<\/p>\n

Washington: <\/strong>I don\u2019t think you would be a terrible<\/em> president, to be honest. Because you\u2019d assemble a really wonderful Cabinet and team around you. And you care!<\/p>\n

Goldwyn: <\/strong>I would. I\u2019d bring you in.<\/p>\n

Washington: <\/strong>You would not bring me. I would not be available. You\u2019re such a nice guy, clearly.<\/p>\n

Goldwyn: <\/strong>First of all, Kerry is saying something nice to me. Doesn\u2019t happen very often.<\/p>\n

Washington: <\/strong>You play such a jerk on \u201cHacks.\u201d<\/p>\n

Goldwyn: <\/strong>I was a massive fan. So when they asked me to do a part, I literally didn\u2019t even read it. I was like, \u201cPlease sign me up.\u201d Bob Lipka, who is head of a media company \u2014 he\u2019s just one of those guys. I can\u2019t name names, because I\u2019ll get in trouble, but there are several of them who run these big companies.<\/p>\n

Washington: <\/strong>He\u2019s so mean. I want to know, is it inspired by somebody?<\/p>\n

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\nGoldwyn:<\/strong> So I did say once, and they were like [whispers<\/em>], \u201cDon\u2019t say that.\u201d I\u2019ve known several of those kinds of guys, and I don\u2019t have a judgment about them. Those jobs are tough. At the end of Season 5, Jean and I have this crazy scene where Bob Lipka steps to new heights \u2014 or depths, however you want to look at it \u2014 in his efforts to rein in the brilliant Deborah Vance. It was a privilege to be a part of that show.<\/p>\n

Now back at you, I am obsessed with \u201cImperfect Women.\u201d You and Elisabeth Moss and Kate Mara and Corey Stoll and Joel Kinnaman \u2014\u00a0all my favorite actors are on that show.<\/p>\n

Washington: <\/strong>Elisabeth Moss found the book in 2019, and she knew right away that she wanted to play Mary. The part she offered me was Eleanor. One of my favorite things about the book, which we have been able to capture in the show, is this idea that the show shifts perspective. When you\u2019re first reading the book, it feels like it\u2019s going to be an entire novel from Eleanor\u2019s perspective. And then you turn a page and it says \u201cNancy\u201d and you\u2019re like, \u201cOh, now I\u2019m going to get this story from the point of view of the dead lady!\u201d And then it shifts again, and it\u2019s Mary. We do that on the show. It meant that rather than having a call sheet that was like one, two, three of who\u2019s the lead actor, we really had a show with three No. 1s. All three of us carry that show together.<\/p>\n

Goldwyn: <\/strong>You sure do.<\/p>\n

\nWashington: <\/strong>One of the things that drew me to Eleanor was that all three of us, Kate and Lizzie and myself, we\u2019ve played strong women where the forces that we\u2019re up against are these big, bad forces. Whether it\u2019s Gilead or the White House or journalism \u2014 we\u2019re up against these big forces. But on this show, the forces that we\u2019re up against are much more internal. The big bad is our own sense of denial and fear and insecurity. And that kind of inner turmoil was really exciting to play with such a brilliant cast.<\/p>\n

\nGoldwyn: <\/strong>So did you develop the script together?<\/p>\n

\nWashington: <\/strong>Annie Weisman was already on board as our showrunner when I came on board. But Simpson Street and Love & Squalor, Lizzie Moss\u2019 company, along with Annie, we really built out the show. Built the writers\u2019 room, hired the heads of departments, hired the directors, built the cast together.<\/p>\n

Goldwyn: <\/strong>And your work is superb<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Washington: <\/strong>Oh, Tony, thank you. As a producer, I love when our costume designers or set designers go home going like, \u201cWow, I think this might be my best work.\u201d I felt like on this show, I got to do that for myself also. I got to create an environment where I was able to do some of the strongest, most courageous work I\u2019ve ever done before.<\/p>\n

\n\tCan I ask you a question about \u201cLaw & Order\u201d?<\/p>\n

Goldwyn: <\/strong>Sure!<\/p>\n

Washington: <\/strong>Were you terrified to step into the iconic Sam Waterston role? I mean, those are such big shoes to fill, and he\u2019s so beloved. Was that intimidating? Inspiring?<\/p>\n

Goldwyn: <\/strong>It was inspiring. I was excited to do it. Sam was one of my acting heroes. I got to direct him once on \u201cLaw & Order,\u201d 20-some years ago. I can\u2019t fill Sam\u2019s shoes; that\u2019s impossible. But the character I play is a totally different guy; he\u2019s just in the same job. And they\u2019ve created a really interesting character, and the reason the show\u2019s good is they still care about the writing so much.<\/p>\n

Washington: <\/strong>I\u2019ve done three episodes! Three different characters in the universe.<\/p>\n

Goldwyn: <\/strong>We keep trying to get you back.<\/p>\n

Washington: <\/strong>How fun would that be?<\/p>\n

Goldwyn: <\/strong>They\u2019re like, \u201cCan we get Kerry?\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cI\u2019m bugging her. I\u2019m always bugging her.\u201d <\/p>\n

Should we get into \u201cScandal\u201d? Fitz and Olivia? We\u2019re still taking pictures together.<\/p>\n

Washington: <\/strong>People are so passionate about Olitz, still. Also, have you noticed this thing online where some people are like, \u201cNow that I\u2019m older and I watch the relationship, I\u2019m not sure how healthy it is.\u201d Have you seen any of that?<\/p>\n

Goldwyn: <\/strong>They\u2019re just figuring that out? Interesting!<\/p>\n

Washington: <\/strong>They weren\u2019t the healthiest couple. That doesn\u2019t mean they weren\u2019t madly in love, but they had some difficulties, which is why people loved it. What did you think about the ending?<\/p>\n

Goldwyn: <\/strong>I loved<\/em> it.<\/p>\n

Washington: <\/strong>I did too. The \u201cHi\u201d in the street. I don\u2019t mean the portrait stuff \u2014 I mean our ending, the Olitz ending.<\/p>\n

Goldwyn: <\/strong>I felt like it all was part of the same thing. And I have a very strong opinion about what happened.<\/p>\n

Washington: <\/strong>People feel very strongly that they\u2019re in Vermont, making jam and all that. Do you feel that way?<\/p>\n

Goldwyn: <\/strong>I feel that Fitz and Olivia are together.<\/p>\n

Washington: <\/strong>What are they doing?<\/p>\n

Goldwyn: <\/strong>I feel that what we had at the root of it was very real, and it\u2019s why we could never get away from it \u2014\u00a0as opposed to being something that was ultimately dysfunctional. I thought ultimately these two people were their answer to each other.<\/p>\n

Washington: <\/strong>Do you feel like maybe they\u2019re in couples therapy now?<\/p>\n

Goldwyn: <\/strong>Yes, regularly! Because they know that\u2019s what they have to do to survive. But I think Fitz spent some time in Vermont. He needed to get out of the toxic patterns.<\/p>\n

Washington: <\/strong>Did he make jam on his own?<\/p>\n

Goldwyn: <\/strong>I think Olivia probably taught him how to make jam, but then when she ate his jam, she\u2019s like, \u201cYour jam sucks!\u201d<\/p>\n

Washington: <\/strong>Your jam is terrible<\/em>.<\/p>\n

\nGoldwyn: <\/strong>But I feel like he was very supportive of her trajectory \u2014\u00a0whether she became president of the United States or whatever her thing was, I feel like his real jones was to help this woman be, like \u2026<\/p>\n

Washington: <\/strong>Her biggest, best self.<\/p>\n

Goldwyn: <\/strong>Her best self!<\/p>\n

Washington: <\/strong>That\u2019s beautiful, Tony.<\/p>\n

Goldwyn: <\/strong>Don\u2019t you look back on times in your life where shit was just going wrong and you were making bad choices \u2014 you were doing some things amazingly, but other things were a mess, and you\u2019ve now come through that and you look back and go, \u201cI\u2019m so glad I did that, because that was all part of the process.\u201d<\/p>\n

Washington:\u00a0 <\/strong>When I look back at the times in my life that were a mess, I think, \u201cbut for the grace of God \u2014\u00a0thank God that I made it through.\u201d I was talking yesterday with my manager about being so grateful that \u201cScandal\u201d didn\u2019t happen earlier in my life. Because I would not have been able to handle it. It required so much leadership and responsibility and accountability and communication skills and teamwork. It required such a level up for me as a human being.<\/p>\n

<\/strong>Also at that time, I got married, and had my own real family. And if any of that had happened sooner, I would have destroyed it. Destroyed<\/em> it. So I do think maybe things were harder earlier on because I needed to grow and learn to be able to meet this moment.

Goldwyn: <\/strong>Same with me. The whole thing is a miracle.<\/p>\n

Washington: <\/strong>That rocket ship we were all on together.<\/p>\n

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