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\n\tLast fall, Dan Howell and Phil Lester broke the internet.<\/p>\n

\n\tIn a 46-minute video titled \u201cAre Dan and Phil in a Relationship? The Truth,\u201d the OG British YouTubers finally revealed \u2014 after 16 years of speculation \u2014 that they\u2019re a couple, and have been since they started making videos together in 2009. The news made headlines around the world and delighted their 3 million fans, many of whom had shipped \u201cPhan\u201d for over a decade.<\/p>\n

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\n\t\u201cIt feels so different to have hard launched and be open about this,\u201d Howell tells Variety<\/em> over Zoom, sitting besides Lester in the London flat they share. \u201cLiving with this secret, having this wall up between ourselves and the audience and feeling like there\u2019s something to be afraid of, has just felt like this barrier the whole time.\u201d<\/p>\n

\n\tThere were several fears around going public with their relationship, including the fact that the duo \u2014 who made a name for themselves with videos featuring their comedic banter and gaming escapades \u2014 didn\u2019t want to limit themselves to \u201ccouples content.\u201d But as the years went on, they realized how much keeping the secret was limiting them. They were hesitant to have romantic dates in public, had to alter stories they told on their channels and could barely do press for their burgeoning careers.<\/p>\n

\n\t\u201cMe and Phil used to be terrified<\/em> of interviews,\u201d Howell admits.
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\u201cOh my gosh, even doing this I would have been like, \u2018Oh no! What if they ask about it? What am I\u00a0gonna\u00a0say?’\u201d Lester interjects. \u201cBecause\u00a0I\u2019m\u00a0a terrible liar.\u201d <\/p>\n

\n\tBut now, with the news finally out, the pair is leaning in. Shortly after the announcement in October, they started the \u201cHard Launch\u201d podcast, which quickly climbed to the top of the charts. And last week, it was revealed that they would be embarking on a 65-date \u201cHard Launch\u201d tour starting in September \u2014 including stops in Mexico, the U.S., U.K., Europe, Australia and Singapore \u2014 their fourth overall but first as a public couple.<\/p>\n

\n\t\u201cWe just want to go on stage and be completely ourselves and not hold anything back,\u201d Lester says. <\/p>\n

\n\tBelow, Howell and Lester talk more with Variety<\/em> about hard launching their relationship, what to expect from their new stage show and their thoughts on the U.K.\u2019s recent social media ban for under 16-year-olds.<\/p>\n

\n\t\tTickets for the \u201cHard Launch\u201d tour are on sale now! How are you feeling?\t<\/h5>\n

\nLester<\/strong>: Just so excited that it\u2019s finally out there, because I\u2019m really bad at keeping secrets. So many times I\u2019ve almost said, \u201cWe\u2019re going to go on tour!\u201d<\/p>\n

\nHowell<\/strong>: Phil is the leak, so we\u2019re very relieved.<\/p>\n

\nLester<\/strong>: And I kept the biggest secret ever about our relationship\u2026<\/p>\n

\nHowell<\/strong>: To be fair, Phil, you did successfully sit on the large secret, so that\u2019s OK.<\/p>\n

\n\t\tHow did<\/em> you do that?\t<\/h5>\n

\nLester<\/strong>: I don\u2019t know how I did it.<\/p>\n

\nHowell<\/strong>: Fear and homophobia.<\/p>\n

\nLester<\/strong>: But yeah, we\u2019re seeing a lot of excitement online about the tour.<\/p>\n

\nHowell:<\/strong> The box office is on fire, maybe because the country physically is, but yeah. It feels very symbolic. We\u2019re going to be bringing hope and joy to the charred remains of society around the world.<\/p>\n

\n\t\tYou two hard launched your relationship in October and then created the \u201cHard Launch\u201d podcast. What made you want to get back on the road?\t<\/h5>\n

\nLester<\/strong>: Well, we had this huge conspiracy \u2014 probably one of the biggest conspiracies of all time \u2014 of \u201cPhan.\u201d<\/p>\n

\nHowell<\/strong>: I think \u201cAre Dan and Phil secretly dating?\u201d was a conspiracy that defined an entire generation.<\/p>\n

\n\t\tI have to say, you were some of the first YouTubers I ever watched. \t<\/h5>\n

\nHowell<\/strong>: Well, thank you and sorry.<\/p>\n

\nLester<\/strong>: We just want to go on stage and be completely ourselves and not hold anything back. When you\u2019re holding this big thing back when you\u2019re entertaining, you don\u2019t realize how much you can\u2019t say. There\u2019d be a story I\u2019m trying to tell and I\u2019d be like, wait, we were in the same hotel room in that story, now I\u2019ve gotta switch it up. So I think we wanna just do a show where we\u2019re 100% authentically being ourselves.<\/p>\n

\nHowell<\/strong>: It feels so different to have hard launched and be open about this. Living with this secret, having this wall up between ourselves and the audience and feeling like there\u2019s something to be afraid of, has just felt like this barrier the whole time. And now, for that to be knocked down\u2026 we experienced something similar when we came out, and we didn\u2019t realize that us just being able to talk about our lives and the fact that we\u2019re together is such a big part of that.<\/p>\n

\n\tAnd there\u2019s been this incredible reaction, like, we had no idea how positive it would be. We were terrified. We didn\u2019t know whether people would take it badly, if they\u2019d be offended that we kept a secret. We\u2019re old enough now and we feel like the culture has caught up and the audience has grown up and the whole environment on social media has evolved so much, that we finally felt that the time was right and we\u2019d be safe to share this with the world. And so the fact that people met us with such a positive reaction, we just felt like, well, now we need to introduce ourselves to these people all over again. It\u2019s like we\u2019re baring it all for the first time 16 years into our entertainment career, which is crazy.<\/p>\n

\n\t\tYou\u2019ve also inspired and helped so many people discover their own sexualities and identities. How does that feel?\t<\/h5>\n

\nHowell<\/strong>: It\u2019s\u00a0amazing how many people found something that resonated with Dan and Phil. I think that we represent so many different communities \u2014 there\u2019s queer people that always looked to us for exploring some aspect of their sexuality or gender identity, there\u2019s people who just felt like they were too alternative, that didn\u2019t fit in with the right type of people at school. And now everyone\u2019s grown up, and the idea that there\u2019s all of these people from so many different groups of\u00a0life\u00a0but they\u2019re like, \u201cWhen I\u2019m in the room with the Dan and Phil followers, I feel like they\u2019re my people\u201d \u2014 that\u2019s beautiful. Because we always wished we had that when we were younger, and now that\u00a0we\u2019re\u00a0all older, it just feels like this tour is a celebration that we all made it.\u00a0It\u2019s\u00a0like, me and Phil against all the odds. It took us this long to hard launch, but we made it. And our audience is like, \u201cHey, it was a struggle back when we were watching YouTube as teenagers, but now\u00a0we\u2019re\u00a0struggling\u00a0young adults. And we made\u00a0it.\u201d<\/p>\n

\nLester<\/strong>: We got a whole new audience as well after the hard launch, so there\u2019s loads of people that are going to be seeing us for the first time. And we\u2019re making this show so that it\u2019s got something for someone who\u2019s been a fan for a long time and for someone that maybe just heard about us a month ago.<\/p>\n

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\nHowell<\/strong>: I mean, the energy shift since the hard launch is wild. Because there\u2019s so many new people who are just saying, \u201cI don\u2019t know what the hell this Dan and Phil thing is about, but I love the vibe here.\u201d And I think that\u2019s something that we\u2019ve only been able to unlock since we freed ourselves from all of this baggage. And that\u2019s what the podcast is about \u2014 like, we hard launched our relationship, but really the podcast and the stage show is about feeling free about your identity. And because we are out here yapping, it\u2019s showing people the level of audacity that you can achieve by being authentic, and encouraging other people to embrace that, no matter what it is to them.<\/p>\n

\n\t\tIn your video revealing your relationship, you said one of the main concerns was wanting people to still see you as a comedy duo and not just as a couple. Do you feel like you\u2019ve achieved that so far?\t<\/h5>\n

\nLester<\/strong>: I think what some people may have been surprised to see is that we\u2019re just acting pretty much exactly the same as we did before, because this is just what our relationship is like. We weren\u2019t like, hiding this other version of ourselves that people haven\u2019t seen, but also on the flip side of that, we\u2019re not really people who share every single aspect of our lives, and I don\u2019t think that\u2019s changed either.<\/p>\n

\nHowell<\/strong>: It was a huge risk for us to say, \u201cWe\u2019re opening up this part of ourselves and we don\u2019t want it to ruin something.\u201d And we\u2019re happy with how it\u2019s gone, but I still think there\u2019s this conversation about like, what are boundaries? You see all these pop stars, all these actors, and people are talking constantly about where\u2019s the line in how people can have these parasocial relationships and enjoy fandom. And I think we are very happy to have that conversation. A lot of people like to just talk negatively about these things, but I think with me and Phil and the hard launch, we said, \u201cYou know what, there were a lot of bad sides to it, but we understand them.\u201d Some of it we can forgive; people were young, they didn\u2019t get it. And so I think that even if it\u2019s a bit messy and uncomfortable, I think we really wanna embrace all of it and let people feel like it\u2019s OK to have fun. And we can have conversations about what are respectful boundaries, but the reset that we\u2019ve had culturally and just the energy between us, it\u2019s really fun. We\u2019re living in a new era.<\/p>\n

\n\t\tLet\u2019s talk about tour! What can fans expect from the show?\t<\/h5>\n

\nLester<\/strong>: We\u2019re always going to do something extra and theatrical.<\/p>\n

\nHowell<\/strong>: We\u2019re doing the most. We\u2019ve set the bar way too high and that\u2019s a problem that our accountant has to deal with.<\/p>\n

\nLester<\/strong>: People might have seen the title and thought, \u201cOh, they\u2019re just going to be sat on the stage doing a podcast.\u201d Absolutely not!<\/p>\n

\nHowell<\/strong>: We\u2019re going to take everything that\u2019s fun about the podcast, but then we\u2019re going to make it something incredible. People are like, \u201cWhat is the vibe?\u201d And someone said, \u201cIt\u2019s like Charli xcx doing comedy.\u201d And we\u2019re like, \u201cYou know what, that\u2019s actually the gig, yeah.\u201d That\u2019s what it is. So you\u2019re going to come to laugh, everyone\u2019s having a good time together, but it really feels like you\u2019re at a concert. <\/p>\n

\nLester<\/strong>: I mean, we have sung before, so don\u2019t put it past us.<\/p>\n

\nHowell<\/strong>: Obviously, we\u2019ll plan loads of stunts and moments and cool things, but we think we have the funniest audience in the world. We really put people through the ringer having to survive 10 years on Tumblr, but this has turned our audience into the funniest people that are all competing with each other to crack the best jokes. And so anything that we can do to interact with the audience, do improv, get people involved, play with whatever local town that we\u2019re in, I think it makes people feel like every show is special for them and that you\u2019re having a night with just that audience. But not in a way where we\u2019re dragging people on stage, because we still respect the amount of social anxiety that\u2019s there.<\/p>\n

\nLester:<\/strong> We\u2019re both people that would hate to be dragged on stage, so we\u2019re not going to do that to you, but we\u2019re going to think of an inventive way for you to be involved.<\/p>\n

\n\t\tYou\u2019re doing 65 shows all around the world \u2014 how do you survive that? What are the best and worst parts of being on tour?\t<\/h5>\n

\nLester<\/strong>: First of all, sleeping on a bus is a challenge for me because I get motion sick.\u00a0So\u00a0it\u2019s\u00a0getting used to that again.\u00a0And also,\u00a0we\u2019re\u00a0going to\u00a0have\u00a0some time to explore each of the places\u00a0we\u2019re\u00a0going, so\u00a0we\u2019re\u00a0going to do a mix of sharing where\u00a0we\u2019re\u00a0going with the internet and doing the show at the same time.\u00a0
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Howell<\/strong>: We tour because we have fun.\u00a0It\u2019s\u00a0our favorite thing to do. We do all of this stuff on the internet, and then touring is what makes it feel real.\u00a0That\u2019s\u00a0what makes us feel like, \u201cOh,\u00a0we\u2019re\u00a0doing this for a reason, there\u00a0are real people out there that are enjoying our content.\u201d And look,\u00a0it\u2019s\u00a0a scary time in the world right now and people are like, \u201cDan and Phil,\u00a0you\u2019re\u00a0going on tour, are you sure?\u201d And\u00a0it\u2019s\u00a0like, well that\u2019s\u00a0why\u00a0it\u2019s\u00a0so important. The whole point of our hard launch is that it\u2019s\u00a0important to be as\u00a0loud and alternative\u00a0and queer as possible to celebrate that\u00a0we\u2019re\u00a0still here\u00a0in spite of\u00a0everything. Our audience deserves a good time, we\u00a0wanna\u00a0have a good time, and so the whole thing is really quite defiant. And\u00a0we\u2019re\u00a0going to go around the world and\u00a0probably get\u00a0no sleep, but\u00a0I think we all\u00a0deserve a party.\u00a0<\/p>\n

\nLester<\/strong>: We just want to be as gay as possible and create as many queer, inclusive spaces where people can have\u00a0a good time,\u00a0because I think the world needs that\u00a0at the moment.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n

\n\t\tWill you be filming the show so that those who can\u2019t make it can still enjoy?\t<\/h5>\n

\nHowell<\/strong>: Yeah, definitely. We did that before with the last couple, and people really enjoyed and appreciated it. We\u2019re definitely going to come up with some kind of plan to film the show so that everybody around the world, for whatever reason that might not be able to make it to a show in person, gets to feel like they were part of the experience.<\/p>\n

\n\t\tI also wanted to get your take on the U.K. social media ban for under 16-year-olds. What are your thoughts on YouTube being included in that?\t<\/h5>\n

\nHowell<\/strong>: With social media, obviously there\u2019s lots of bad things on it, but it\u2019s a place where people can discover a wider world than their immediate environment. And for some people, that\u2019s life-changing and life-saving and inspiring. I know that being able to log into your own YouTube account may not seem like the biggest thing in the world, but it is a way for people to explore what kind of media they love that really shapes who you are as a person.<\/p>\n

\nLester<\/strong>: It\u2019s so creatively inspiring on YouTube as well. There\u2019s so much stuff out there that I think is helpful to young people, like art videos, comedy sketches \u2014 and if I hadn\u2019t started watching other YouTubers making videos, then I wouldn\u2019t be doing this now.<\/p>\n

\nHowell<\/strong>: Yeah, if we couldn\u2019t have digested all of that, then we wouldn\u2019t be Dan and Phil. And so I respect that there\u2019s things that everyone should be doing to make the internet a safer place for young people, but I also want to make sure that we\u2019re still inspiring young people and showing them that there\u2019s a big, beautiful world out there and there\u2019s a place for them.<\/p>\n

\nLester<\/strong>:\u00a0Definitely regulate\u00a0it more, if possible, to protect people. But\u00a0don\u2019t\u00a0just take it away, because that feels like the wrong move. I\u00a0don\u2019t\u00a0think banning things really works anyway.\u00a0
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Howell<\/strong>: No. And I mean, hey, we\u00a0don\u2019t\u00a0take any of this for granted. Every single year, every tour that\u00a0me\u00a0and Phil have done since the beginning \u2014 you know, we started YouTube when social media culture\u00a0didn\u2019t\u00a0even exist. And we\u00a0thought,\u00a0this isn\u2019t going to stick around so we need to have fun now, we\u00a0need to work really hard now because it\u2019s going to disappear in two years. And then that\u00a0didn\u2019t\u00a0happen in\u00a02015\u00a0and it\u00a0didn\u2019t\u00a0happen in 2020 and now, you know, 2026 has come and somehow 16 years later, Dan and Phil are still at the top of their game. Who would have thought that would happen?\u00a0\u00a0
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Lester<\/strong>: And\u00a0we\u2019re\u00a0somehow not sick of each other.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n

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\nThis interview has been edited and condensed for length and clarity.<\/em>
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